Re: [Geopriv] PIDF-LO extension for timezone element submitted

From: Winterbottom, James ^lt;James.Winterbottom@andrew.com>
Date: Tue Jul 08 2008 - 16:46:35 EDT

If you feel strongly enough about dumping the offset into the location-info, while ugly, the schema should allow this already.

Cheers
James

-----Original Message-----
From: geopriv-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of Jonathan Rosenberg
Sent: Tue 7/8/2008 7:29 AM
To: Henning Schulzrinne
Cc: geopriv@ietf.org; James M. Polk; Thomson, Martin
Subject: Re: [Geopriv] PIDF-LO extension for timezone element submitted
 
Doh! I had totally forgotten about <time-offset>. I think that fits the
need. Though I still think it would have been better to be part of LO,
given <time-offset> exists already I agree it doesn't make sense to
define another thing.

Thanks,
Jonathan R.

Henning Schulzrinne wrote:
> See also RFC 4480, Section 3.13. I'm unclear as to why we need a new
> mechanism here. (While the time zone is clearly related to location, it
> is also a human artifact. See the notion of uniform time zones in China
> or the various DST permutations that have nothing to do with location.)
>
> On Jul 7, 2008, at 8:54 PM, Thomson, Martin wrote:
>
>> A few quick points:
>>
>> - Why is this not already available in the myriad presence documents
>> that already exist? Timezone questions are so common on the 'net that
>> I'd rate it up there with A/S/L? and "wots ur name IRL?" The number
>> of times that I've seen "it's 3am here", or "what time is it
>> there?"... That doesn't mean that it needs to be a location element -
>> the WG has already had that discussion.
>>
>> - The entire statement in Chapter 2 is patently false. RFC 3863
>> refers to RFC 3339, which specifies a means to specify timezone
>> offsets (see <http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3339#section-5.8>).
>>
>> - UTC is the preferred nomenclature (again, see RFC 3339)
>>
>> - You talk about offsets in quantities other than whole hours but
>> offer no guidance on the syntax.
>>
>> - There is no indication of where this new element should be located.
>> Nor is the element defined.
>>
>> - Your Wikipedia reference lightened my day.
>>
>> - "A full understanding of time on planet earth" is probably more than
>> is required to understand time zones.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Martin
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: geopriv-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:geopriv-bounces@ietf.org] On
>>> Behalf Of James M. Polk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 8 July 2008 10:37 AM
>>> To: geopriv@ietf.org
>>> Subject: [Geopriv] PIDF-LO extension for timezone element submitted
>>>
>>> Geopriv
>>>
>>> I just submitted an ID that's an extension to PIDF-LO to carry
>>> timezone information of the presentity. This is separate from the
>>> <timestamp> element.
>>>
>>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-polk-geopriv-pidf-lo-
>>> timezone-element-00.txt
>>>
>>> The Presence Information Data Format - Location Object (PIDF-LO)
>>> lacks an indication for the timezone offset of a particular
>>> presentity is in. This document extends the PIDF-LO for including
>>> such an XML element.
>>>
>>> Comments are appreciated
>>>
>>> James
>>>
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